Is oxidation of "HIV" the critical factor? 17 August 2004
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Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos,
Department of Medical Physics, Royal Perth Hospital, Western Australia, 6001,
Valendar F Turner, John Papadimitriou, Barry Page, David Causer, Helman Alfonso, Sam Mhlongo, Todd Miller, Christian Fiala

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In his rapid response, "Re: Re: Re: Re: The non-existent knobs on "HIV" particles", Christopher Noble wrote: "The critical factor is HIV!  Even the Perth Group admit that testing positive for HIV is the critical factor.  When pressed they come up with weird and wonderful theories about how oxidative stress causes the human genome to rearrange itself and amazingly produce HIV RNA, DNA and antigens but they do confirm that testing HIV positive is the critical factor."


We do not confirm or admit "that testing HIV positive is the critical factor".

We claim that a positive antibody test, like a raised ESR or lymphocyte antibodies, in certain risk groups, is a predictor for present or future morbidity and mortality, which is quite different.  Furthermore, since to date nobody has proven that a positive "HIV" antibody test is proof for HIV infection, with such a test the "HIV status" cannot be determined.


We have always claimed that the critical factor in AIDS and the expression of the phenomena known as "HIV" is oxidation.  Lately, even Montagnier admitted that oxidation plays a "fundamental role in the illness" (1).


Christopher Noble wrote:  ""If you read the paper you cited then you would see that a large proportion of the HIV negative subjects had the same GSH levels as HIV positive subjects.  Clearly HIV status is the critical factor".


If a "proportion of HIV negative subjects had the same GSH levels as HIV positive subjects", it does not mean that, "clearly HIV status is the critical factor".


Christopher Noble wrote:  "And you still haven't explained why you used this paper to argue that HIV doesn't exist and doesn't cause AIDS while not carrying through the same logic and applying it to influenza".


Nobody has used this or any other paper by the Herzenberg's "to argue that HIV doesn't exist".  However, unquestionably their work is an additional confirmation of one of the main predictions of our oxidative theory of AIDS.




1. Montagnier L, Olivier R, Pasquier C, editors. Oxidative stress in cancer, AIDS and neurogenerative diseases. New York: Marcel Dekker Inc, 1998.

Competing interests: None declared