Re: Re: Where is the virus? 14 July 2004
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Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos,
Department of Medical Physics, Royal Perth Hospital, Western Australia, 6001,
Valendar F Turner, John Papadimitriou, Barry Page, David Causer, Helman Alfonso, Sam Mhlongo, Todd Miller, Christian Fiala

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Re: Re: Re: Where is the virus?

In his Rapid response July 9th to our posting “Where is the virus?”, Christopher Noble quoted us twice:


1. We [the Perth Group] have never asked for evidence which proves the existence of "HIV" particles studded with knobs (after all, Hans Gelderblom could not prove the existence of cell-free particles in cultures having knobs). Just an EM showing all the other morphological characteristics attributed to the "HIV" particles or even to retroviruses would be a good first step”.

2. “In fact, nowhere in the HIV/AIDS literature is there proof for the existence of cell-free particles possessing all the morphological features required of a retroviral particle, that is, particles "with a diameter of 100-120 nm" AND "studded with projections (spikes, knobs)".

If Christopher Noble interprets the two quotes as a contradiction he is wrong.  The second quote is taken from our 1997 paper published in Current Medical Research and Opinion (1) where we address “HIV” in vitro.  The first quote addresses the situation in vivo.  That is, “HIV” particles in plasma.  Although “spikes, knobs” are considered by HIV experts essential for infectivity and thus the HIV theory of AIDS, we were prepared to accept even replication incompetent particles as “a good first step”.


1.         Papadopulos-Eleopulos E, Turner VF, Papadimitriou JM, et al. HIV antibodies: Further questions and a plea for clarification. Curr Med Res Opinion 1997;13:627-634 link

Competing interests: None declared